I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. You must log in or register to reply here. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Mag. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. Another vote for 7 rem mag. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. 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This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. $120.95. The belt has never been an issue for me. 7rm for me. Interesting. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. You are using an out of date browser. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. Mag. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. That's how gun control works.". Supporter. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. We use cookies to make your experience better. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. | Alabusa Learning. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. You must log in or register to reply here. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Those are some impressive numbers. Amazing bc too for the weight. They sharpened the shoulder angle. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . You are using an out of date browser. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. LRHTB. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . without laser assistance. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. You say it's long action. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. Diver160651 Who cares. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Clearly the 7mm Rem. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. Full-magnum action long. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. Recoil of a 9# Rem. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Buy Now. Trustpilot. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Mag. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Mag. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. factory 7mm Rem. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Trustpilot. The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. Mag. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. My vote would be for the 7 saum. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. JavaScript is disabled. for my brand of hunting. at the muzzle. Both are great rounds. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. Mag., the 264 Win. New member question. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Minuteman. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! Easily fed from a BDL mag box. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. 7mm Rem. You go long. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. ADG 28 Nosler. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Trustpilot. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. Cartridge: 7 RUM. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). Clear winner. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). . High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Trustpilot. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. I went 7SAUM. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Id suggest a similar plan. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) 224 Valkyrie. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Mag. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. JavaScript is disabled. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. I just did a 7mm build too. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. JavaScript is disabled. ADG 300 PRC Brass. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Want to do 24-26 barrel. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Thanks. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. 7mm SAUM vs 7mm Rem Mag | Full Comparison 24,889 views Sep 12, 2020 306 Dislike Share Save GunFather Precision 6.7K subscribers To answer a question I regularly get asked here is a full. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. at the muzzle. Buy Now. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . So how do you choose among these three? And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Mag. Mag. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. rifles. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. Minuteman. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. Mag. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. ADG 28 Nosler. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. And that means more powder. Howdy. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). All the info in that thread made my decision for me. . The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. It may not display this or other websites correctly. SAUM can be found on the . I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Qty: Add to cart. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. This calls for a light rifle. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. The sample Hornady 180-gr. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. They straightened the sidewalls. Thanks, BnG. Mag. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. 7mm RemMag. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. Ban sober drivers from driving. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. Mag. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Buy Now. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. &mm PRC. It does have a dark side, though. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. All rights reserved. Mag. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? The SAUM will be built on a long action. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . 6.5 PRC. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. ammo. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. Which one would you choose and why? I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. 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